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From
his dedication to charitable organizations such as City
Harvest and the Jean-Louis Palladin Foundation, of which
he is president, to his fidelity to Le Bernardin, where
he has been for 14 years, Eric Ripert perfectly exemplifies
how giving back and staying humble are two essential
traits of a great chef. Ripert was born in Antibes but
spent his childhood in Andorra, before attending cooking
school back in his native France. He then worked at the
prestigious La Tour d’Argent and Joël Robuchon’s
Jamin in Paris, before moving to Washington DC in 1989
and working for Jean-Louis Palladin. Two years later,
he moved to New York and became chef at Le Bernardin,
after a brief stint with David Bouley. He has retained
over the years exacting standards for creative dishes
featuring only ingredients of the highest quality, which
have garnered awards such as Outstanding Restaurant and
Outstanding Chef from the James Beard Foundation, and
the honor of being the longest standing four-star restaurant
in New York.
How has your clientele changed since you've been at
Le Bernardin? And how does that impact your cooking?
We
have a very upscale, exclusive clientele. And that
was the same as 15 years ago. We have a power lunch.
That was the same 15 years ago as well. At night, we
used to have a clientele which was very obviously an
exclusive clientele, and in 1986, most people were 40,
45 years old. Today they are 60. So what happened and
what we are really working on is to have a nice transition,
to be able to renew our clientele, not overnight, because
you don't overnight renew your clientele, but we put
lots of effort in targeting a younger audience. Not to
become a lounge, but [attract] a younger, sophisticated
audience. We have worked a lot in creating harmony between
the old clientele and the new clientele. We have, I like
to think, succeeded in that. Today it's a much more romantic
destination for people to come as well. We have a lot
of couples coming just to have an intimate dinner and
things like that. For that reason we are softening a
lot the look of the dining room.
How does the arrival
on the New York dining scene of restaurants like Per Se
affect you?
They affect us in a very positive way. You know,
it's very funny because when Daniel opened, everybody was
asking me the same question. Then Alain Ducasse opened.
Right? Everybody was asking me the same question. And
then Per Se opened, and again the same question is coming
back. My answer is, you can progress only through competition.
If we were the only ones, we would be old already. We
would not be progressing, we would not be dynamic. Having
tougher competition each time makes us better because
it stimulates us, it motivates us to be better and better.
And we want to fight in a friendly way, of course, that
competition. At the same time, what you have to understand
is that the clientele of Le Bernardin, although I wish
it would come only to us every day of their life, our
clientele is a very sophisticated clientele. Those people
eat at Le Bernardin today, and tomorrow they eat at Daniel,
and the day after they are going to go eat at Jean Georges,
and maybe going to stay one night home, and then going
to go a benefit, and then they're going to come back
to Le Bernardin. It's a rotation, and it has been like
that all the time. We share the same clientele. So Per
Se is one addition to the scene, to the rotation. But
at the same time it's positive, it is attracting more
people to New York. More gourmets, more people come here
thinking it's a gourmet destination. To answer even more
precisely your question, I will say that this year is
the biggest year in revenue ever for Le Bernardin. Even
better than 2000.
While you're unquestionably one of
America’s top
chefs, you haven't overextended yourself, you don't have
a TV show, dishware, multiple restaurants, etc. Even
your consulting is pretty discrete. Why is that?
I'm very
passionate about whatever I do. I don't do things just
to do things. Or I don't do things just for the
money. I let a lot of opportunities pass by. I like to
take my time. I like to be passionate. When I feel that
I need a line of pots and pans or when I’ll be
totally into designing a line of pot and pans, it will
be on the market. I'm very secure about myself and about
what I do, and just like I said, no rush. The reward
is that when you're very passionate, whatever you do
is like a gift. When you try to develop your business,
if you don't have that much passion it's more painful
than anything else. So, that's the reason. And I'm still
young.
That’s another very impressive thing about
your career, how young you started. So what advice do
you
have for culinary students?
It's a very tough business,
it's physical, it's stressful, it's not an amazing moneymaker,
when you think about
it, compared to other industries, which can be much more
rewarding in terms of money. So you really have to test
yourself on the task. You really have to go in the kitchen,
or go in the dining room, and be there and see how beautiful
it is and how hectic it can be. Then you really have
to be honest with yourself and say can I do that for
20 years of my life? Can I do that for even 10 years
of my life? Is it going to make me happy and, and is
it part of my goal because it's very demanding, it's
like a spiral, you go into it and it absorbs you completely.
So you have to really understand where you're going and
then be honest with yourself. Say, hey, you know what?
This is such a passion for me. It's so rewarding for
me. All that really doesn't matter, and I think I can
do it for 20 years. Or more. It's really the biggest
advice you can give to someone because then, of course,
you can say, go work with a big restaurant, with a very
fancy restaurant, go work in a small kitchen. But this
is details. You have to look at the big picture first,
and then make the commitment. And then the next step
is how to do it. I don't know if you want me to answer
that but how to succeed is very difficult to answer because
my way of seeing success is maybe not your way of seeing
success. Success is very relative.
Do you get to cook
a lot still?
Not as much as ten years ago, for sure not.
I'm more the creative mind, the mentor of the team. I'm
bringing
the energy. I'm bringing my vision. But I bring my experience
also as a cook and technically, but no I am not cooking
that much, at least at the restaurant. At home I cook,
on the weekend.
How does a chef become a teacher, which
is such an important component of the profession?
You become
a teacher when you understand yourself. When you understand
the process of cooking for yourself. Until
then you cannot become a teacher. Someone who doesn't
explain clearly to me what he's trying to teach me, I
know he hasn't assimilated for himself. When you have
assimilated it for yourself, and you are very confident
with the process of cooking, for example, you can explain
it in a very clear, very simple way. It's right for our
industry, for cooking, but also for religion, philosophy.
I'll make an analogy which has nothing to do with cooking.
I study Buddhism on the side, for myself, as a complementary
aspect of my culture. I read books, and sometimes they
are overly complicated and I don't get it. And then I
read other books, like the Dalai Lama, and suddenly everything
is clear water. That man, in his own way of thinking
on religion, is very confident and he has really understood
and digested his philosophy of life. He can translate
that in a very simplistic way that anyone can understand.
Cooking's the same thing. It's why you can become a good
teacher only if you have succeeded in understanding the
process.
You are involved in City Harvest and the Jean-Louis
Palladin Foundation. Why is that important for you?
Because
I believe in it. Although I don’t believe
that every morning when I wake up, I know that I'm an
extremely lucky man, and I know that some people live
in misery and some people live with hunger. Some people,
and I don’t want to generalize but myself, sometimes,
I have the tendency to forget, and say, oh my God, today,
I have those problems to resolve and then I'm, like,
what am I talking about? I have a great health, a great
life, an exciting life, I live my passion, so, ultimately
when you feel like that, you want to help the people
who are not that lucky. That’s why I joined City
Harvest and of course, it depends on what you can do
and what you can give, but I give a reasonable amount
of myself to the charity or the cause that I believe
in. City Harvest, for me, is a way of giving back. The
Palladin Foundation is the same. Because in my industry
I've been so lucky, I want to give it back. And Jean-Louis
Palladin was my mentor, so he's a man I knew fairly well.
There’s a lot of things that we can do to help
young cooks, young people who are interested in cooking,
especially in today's world where I see a lot of kids
living in big cities, especially in America, being totally
disconnected from the source, disconnected from nature.
So then really it's abstract, it's leeks coming at your
door in a box. You need to know more than that. You need
to understand the process of cultivating leeks, it's
a way of being connected with earth, it's a way of understanding
better what you can do ultimately with the product. The
Palladin Foundation is dedicated to send young talent
to farmer, growers, fishermen, hunters, for those young
people to be connected and to have a broader vision.
Do
you feel that this connection is more prevalent in France,
and that's why there are so many great French
chefs, because they have that connection?
Because of the
French culture itself, and our reverence for food, I feel
that we are definitely more connected.
France is also a smaller country. Our society in France
is very dedicated to vacations, so you have so much vacation
you have to go somewhere, you don’t stay in your
apartment and even if you live in Paris, which is a very
big city, you go somewhere and you see nature. Here a
lot of people don’t travel that much, don’t
have that opportunity and are disconnected. So French
people are very lucky that way.
You seem to have a special
interest in Asian and Japanese foods and flavors, why
is that?
Not more than curiosity in Mediterranean culture,
or in South American culture. But I think it shows more
because it's unexpected for Le Bernardin, for example,
to have soy sauce. You will expect much more maybe olive
oil or butter on the menu. So I think people have the
tendency to say, he's very Japanese-oriented or he's
very Chinese-oriented or very Asian, but at the same
time, if you look in the menu the percentage I think
is very small. But I still have passion for it, obviously,
because I'm curious and because of the environment. Living
in New York offers a lot of things. And one of the things
is that you're in contact with a lot of different ethnic
groups. When you're a little curious, you find things
and you get inspired and New York is a great inspiration
for me. My traveling as well, everything is an experience,
really. When you are very aware of the surrounding and
very aware of what's going on around you, you're definitely
being influenced by a lot of things. It’s a matter
of passion and it's a matter of staying humble as much
as you can. Because that keeps your eyes open and keeps
your ears open.
What are some of the more unique seafood
and beverage pairings that you offer here?
Unique seafood
and beverage pairings… I don’t
think it's that unique, I think there’s a lot of
people thinking the same. But it's definitely not unique
to us. It's good, because it means people interact. We
interact, we get things over there, they get things here,
so it's pretty good the fact that we are not unique.
The search for us is harmony in cooking but also in between
beverages and the cooking and the dish and the food.
We always ultimately look for harmony, harmony between
flavors. It’s a total harmony that the beverage
becomes part of the dish, wine becomes part of the experience.
So a tasting menu with wine pairings, or just having
the sommelier pair wines with one’s meal, is really
part of the Bernardin experience?
Yes, it's total harmony
item per item like, first course with its own wine, but
it's also total harmony for the
entire experience itself. We built something, it's a
progression. When I say we built, it doesn't mean only
that flavor is increased and the wine increases with
it, it means it could be a roller coaster too. I can
take you on a ride and say, okay, you're climbing, climbing
something, you're going down, down, down and then climbing
again and that, but at the end we're looking for a total
harmony.
If you go to a restaurant and you have an appetizer
an entrée and dessert, can you have the correct
experience, what you would have with a full tasting menu,
where you
have a longer time to build the harmony?
It depends.
It depends on your mood, if you’re
entertaining or if you want to be home when you're tired
and sick. So some days the right answer will be the tasting
menu with a wine pairing, some other days will be just
two dishes and your dessert and wine and some days maybe
not even wine. You have a feeling. You have to always
take life as a time to think and let things happen and
follow your instincts. And that guides you. Your instincts
guide you in everything, especially in cooking. The instinct
is as important as the technique. If you're a great technician
but you don’t have the instinct, your food is just
boring. I don’t know if it's true or not, but for
me it is true, I let my instincts guide me in everything.
You
don’t serve Chilean Sea Bass. Which of all
the current seafood issues concerns you the most?
Well,
everything matters obviously. Overfishing matters because
it's destroying the population, pollution matters
because it's destroying everything. We have to be tough
sometimes. I remember, it was not really a boycott but
it was very similar to it, with swordfish. And it's very
difficult to go, okay, so the news was, swordfish is
disappearing, so how do you know? Well, fishermen catch
less and the animals are smaller. And we investigate
and we find that the stock of swordfish is really endangered.
So me, as a chef in New York, hey, let's boycott. Well,
go to Maine and talk to the families who live off of
the swordfish, and say, you know what, how many kids
do you have? Eight kids? Well I'm sorry guys, but starting
tomorrow, Daddy doesn't have a job anymore. So we have
to find ways which are not extreme, but we have to act
very fast and we have to have a lot of discipline if
we want to make sure that not in 500 years, in 20 years,
in 30 years, we haven't destroyed the living things in
our planet and especially in our ocean.
Is it still important
for culinary students and young chefs to go to France to
stage? Is France still relevant?
Yes, of course. French
culture has a veneration for food. The art de la table
is a big part of the French culture.
So when it's big part of your culture you become an expert
at it and you can make it. So it's always good to go
see what's going on with people who are dedicating most
of their effort for the food, for good food. You dedicate
efforts for organic products, you dedicate it for great
wild products, whatever you can do to improve the quality
of the food. At the same time you improve your own health---you
eat well, you have better health. So yes, I think if
cooks want to go to France, then they should definitely
be encouraged to go to France. Now, if cooks feel that
they should go to Japan then they should definitely go
to Japan. And if they don’t go to France it's not
such a big deal. But I think they have to go somewhere
else where the culture is very pro-food, and eating and
drinking and enjoying it. Because the American culture
didn’t prioritize that for a long time. It's probably
that they are too busy, it's the country first. I mean,
in France it's easy to, here is a young nation, so they
must build the country and now they're showing a tremendous
passion
in America, for cooking, for eating, for drinking, for
wines, it's a real revolution here.
What are some of the
projects you're working on?
Pursuing consultant things,
maybe another book coming out in a few years, a couple
of other things, but really
my main focus remains and will, no matter what, and that
is a 100 percent sure prediction, my main focus will
remain Le Bernardin. Because I like it, I have fun, I
have a lot of rewards, including financial rewards. Okay
maybe I should give you a little scoop: maybe developing
products to feed children in young age. I have a child
that is one year old, and I really want my child to eat
well. When I see what children eat, what sometimes goes
in those pots, I'm not impressed. I think there’s
a lot of room for improvement.
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